I actually still experience a considerably slower startup time with the newest build. I went ahead and timed it, to give an idea of the difference. With all my addons selected, Ultimate Doom takes about 5 seconds to startup using build 364. In build 420, it takes 42 seconds. The part that takes the longest (about 35 seconds) is "Starting Game" at the very end. I wonder would could cause the game to take nearly 10x longer to load in these newer builds?
I have not done extensive testing on large maps yet, so I'm not sure if the slowdown issue has been fixed after having played a big map for a while.
Now that is what I'd call a significant difference. I'd be interested in seeing a copy of your doomsday.out using the latest build with the highest level of log verbosity.
Do you use add/remove programs to remove the old version first before installing the new build, or just install the new build to a new folder (keeping the old one in the process), or overwrite the old build (install the new build over the old one).
Yeah, Dani told me that the correct way is to unistall first, but I uninstall from within the Doomsday folder. I'm guessing that uninstalling from there vs add/remove programs is the same. Correct me if I'm wrong.
As for faster loading, when SSD drives become cheaper and widespread and I get one someday I will get a PCIe one since that is the fastest port, not SATA), you yourself said it would load even faster I never knew that all this time, so many people were having to deal with minute long loading times. Or maybe it only started after ringzero. Maybe it is related to hardware. So the way it must work is that hardware has a big influence (but the way Doomsday is written matters a lot too) on loading times, but ingame performance issues are strictly Doomsday code. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I might be wrong since other people had quick loading times before ringzero regardless of hardware.
I've found that the JDRP lags the startup time the most for me. If I turn off all resources except the JDRP, the game takes about 32 seconds to load. What's odd is that build 420 takes the same amount of time to load the game with no resources (5 seconds) as build 364 does with ALL the resources. I'm using jdrp101+11a+fixes.pk3, found here: http://www.filefront.com/17328814/jdrp10111afixes.pk3/
And yes, I did try a fresh install. Here is my Doomsday.out after loading just the JDRP:
Executable: Doomsday Engine 1.9.7 [#420] (Candidate 32-bit) Feb 24 2012 12:13:19.
Sys_InitWindowManager: Using Win32 window management.
Initializing plugins...
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Sfx_InitChannels: 16 channels.
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Definitions:
41 animation groups
6 composite fonts
14 finales
214 lights
38 map infos
4 materials
2245 models
172 particle generators
4 skies
33 songs
110 sound effects
138 sprite names
1413 states
130 surface decorations
366 text strings
8 texture environments
140 things
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Shutting down the console...
I made a pack that has the fixes but replaces the cacodemon and pinky with Tea Monster's version. To run the resource pack, I had to put the defs in the def/jdoom/auto folder and put the model directory under data/jdoom/models. I couldn't get it to run as a pack (a rar file) and if I remember correctly, putting the rar pack in the addons folder doesn't make it appear in the addons list in the lanucher. So I did what I did to get it to run. Maybe I did something wrong since you have it running as an addon pack, Lightning Hunter, but I was not able to get it to work like that.
Also, the fixed jdrp pack by Kingennio is all I use along with the Tea Monster models for the Caco and Pinky. The old resource pack that had a folder called jdrp.box is an obsolete pack that should be replaced and it also seemed broken. I remember having to manually paste all its contents under addons in the past to make it work since many of the models were not replacing the original sprites when I used it in pack form.
I wonder if Kingennio will release a more complete resource pack. His work is really good and it is good we have people like him around to help with the JDRP. Much appreciated. Also appreciated is the work that SkyJake, Dani, KuriKai, and all other contributors are doing.
I couldn't get it to run as a pack (a rar file) and if I remember correctly, putting the rar pack in the addons folder doesn't make it appear in the addons list in the lanucher.
Doomsday can't open RAR files, so that's not surprising.
@Lightning Hunter
The out file you posted is only at default verbosity; to raise the verbosity, you need to click on the settings tab, then developer and finally click on 'verbose messages'.
The higher the verbosity, the more information get's logged in the out file (note this will slow Dday down a little bit).
I will say though, loads of apparently missing deds there; it suggests that variant of the JDRP is not well constructed; I haven't looked at it yet, to confirm.
My doomsday out (or console command line) looks about the same as LH with the missing defs and the missing caco and lost soul warnings. Remember in this topic that I mentioned the missing defs just yesterday or so, but I have no problem with it appearing in game since I installed the files and folders manually after extraction into the directories I mentioned. So it doesn't matter if it says they are not found since I know the game is reading them as evidence that the models appear in game just fine. So they are loading automatically and don't appear in the launcher as an addon and it saying it is not found is a false warning.
I don't think it is the resource pack that is the problem but Doomsday itself, it sounds like, though I haven't had that bad of loading time ever, and if I did, I believe it was because it froze a few builds back, but it does seem loading time has increased since the ringzero merge. For me, not as much as others, even with models, textures, soundpack, hi res user interface, etc, and it is faster after the memory fixes.
Seeing as to-do list is almost empty, I'd like to suggest that when it becomes empty, an announcement in other forums should be made and release held off for a while, as maybe ten testers here isn't enough.
Foot clipping in Heretic now only occurs when you are actually on the liquid rather than the buggy implementation of the original game where it would occur when you were standing on the edge of a sector with liquid.
However this produces a little anomaly when dropping into liquid; there is a little pause between when you land and when the now smooth camera movement (it was an instant movement in the original game) for foot clipping begins to occur.
A bit of personal opinion, the smooth camera movement is also pretty slow; much slower than a falling player. I'd personally suggest that the smooth camera movement be sped up to approximately the same speed as a player falling. The current speed kind of makes it look like something is cushioning the players fall when they jump into liquid; I don't think barely foot deep liquid (i.e an assumption based of how much things visually footclip) would do that.
A bit of personal opinion, the smooth camera movement is also pretty slow; much slower than a falling player. I'd personally suggest that the smooth camera movement be sped up to approximately the same speed as a player falling. The current speed kind of makes it look like something is cushioning the players fall when they jump into liquid; I don't think barely foot deep liquid (i.e an assumption based of how much things visually footclip) would do that.
It isn't the surface that cushions the impact, its the hero's knees.
I've noticed that when I set rend-dev-wireframe 1, console, menu and hud text are all rendered as boxes, which then makes it a bit difficult to know what's written in the console, etc...
I've noticed that when I set rend-dev-wireframe 1, console, menu and hud text are all rendered as boxes, which then makes it a bit difficult to know what's written in the console, etc...
You're right, that's not very helpful... I'll make it so that if rend-dev-wireframe is 1, only the player view is drawn as wireframe (like the help text says). If it's set to 2, also the UI and fonts will be wireframe.
I changed that when working on revising the UI systems (it was very helpful for this) but clearly I forgot to change it back. Adding two "modes" for rend-dev-wireframe sounds good to me
Is there a way to change the difficulty without restarting or a way of knowing what difficulty the game is running on at any time? When I choose a new game and then use the warp command with a lesser difficulty in Armadosia, I notice no difference, even when bumped down two difficulty levels. I see no change in the amount of ammo I get from boxes. Maybe the game has a bug that won't let me change the difficulty or it only works sometimes since I did see a change about 2 builds ago. Even deleting a saved game or the frontend doesn't seem to do any good.
The HacX skill level menu goes off the side of the screen
The Chex and Ultimate Doom main menu's scroll up/down as you move through the options
The choose skill level heading on the skill level menu in HeXen is way over to the left
I'll also throw in that the gem on the fighters hud in HeXen isn't alinged.
Please report bugs in the Bug Tracker from now on. Candidate testing for 1.9.7 is over. We will open a new official testing thread for 1.9.8 at a later time.
Please report bugs in the Bug Tracker from now on. Candidate testing for 1.9.7 is over. We will open a new official testing thread for 1.9.8 at a later time.
Do you think that's wise, considering there are still a lot of bugs introduced in ringzero? I'm worried our bug reports will just get lost in the bug tracker (among the hundreds of other bug reports in there). I still don't consider this build to be stable quite yet. It still loads slow, and detail textures in WAD files still don't work (Daniel Norton's detail textures). I'm sure there are more bugs, too... I think it's a little too hasty to call it stable and close this thread.
Yes, the Cacodemon was resolved. Check it out for yourself, it's much better.
Ah, it looks like they disabled the ability of monsters to pass under/over each other on the z-axis. I would have done the same. However, my other two bug reports still exist...
While 1.9.7 is a significant milestone on the way to Dday 2.0 and a big improvement over Beta 6.9, there are a couple of bugs/issues I think are noticible from a gameplay perspective, that I'm suprised wern't fixed before declaring a 'stable' release, even if they will take ages to fix.
But the bi-weekly builds are set to continue, so as soon as they are fixed, we will probably be able to test drive them.
There are a couple of bugs I think are noticible from a gameplay perspective that I'm suprised wern't fixed before declaring a 'stable' release, even if they will take ages to fix.
I still believe that build 364 is superior to this release. The only thing this release brings to the table as far as I can see is the Cacodemon bug fix. However, that does not make up for the long startup time of the game, the broken detail textures, and other bugs that ringzero introduced.
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I have not done extensive testing on large maps yet, so I'm not sure if the slowdown issue has been fixed after having played a big map for a while.
How do you install new builds of Dday?
Do you use add/remove programs to remove the old version first before installing the new build, or just install the new build to a new folder (keeping the old one in the process), or overwrite the old build (install the new build over the old one).
As for faster loading, when SSD drives become cheaper and widespread and I get one someday I will get a PCIe one since that is the fastest port, not SATA), you yourself said it would load even faster
http://www.filefront.com/17328814/jdrp10111afixes.pk3/
And yes, I did try a fresh install. Here is my Doomsday.out after loading just the JDRP:
Also, the fixed jdrp pack by Kingennio is all I use along with the Tea Monster models for the Caco and Pinky. The old resource pack that had a folder called jdrp.box is an obsolete pack that should be replaced and it also seemed broken. I remember having to manually paste all its contents under addons in the past to make it work since many of the models were not replacing the original sprites when I used it in pack form.
I wonder if Kingennio will release a more complete resource pack. His work is really good and it is good we have people like him around to help with the JDRP. Much appreciated. Also appreciated is the work that SkyJake, Dani, KuriKai, and all other contributors are doing.
The out file you posted is only at default verbosity; to raise the verbosity, you need to click on the settings tab, then developer and finally click on 'verbose messages'.
The higher the verbosity, the more information get's logged in the out file (note this will slow Dday down a little bit).
I will say though, loads of apparently missing deds there; it suggests that variant of the JDRP is not well constructed; I haven't looked at it yet, to confirm.
I don't think it is the resource pack that is the problem but Doomsday itself, it sounds like, though I haven't had that bad of loading time ever, and if I did, I believe it was because it froze a few builds back, but it does seem loading time has increased since the ringzero merge. For me, not as much as others, even with models, textures, soundpack, hi res user interface, etc, and it is faster after the memory fixes.
http://filebeam.com/908f80de2e239526bfb6e2dae72100b7
Foot clipping in Heretic now only occurs when you are actually on the liquid rather than the buggy implementation of the original game where it would occur when you were standing on the edge of a sector with liquid.
However this produces a little anomaly when dropping into liquid; there is a little pause between when you land and when the now smooth camera movement (it was an instant movement in the original game) for foot clipping begins to occur.
A bit of personal opinion, the smooth camera movement is also pretty slow; much slower than a falling player. I'd personally suggest that the smooth camera movement be sped up to approximately the same speed as a player falling. The current speed kind of makes it look like something is cushioning the players fall when they jump into liquid; I don't think barely foot deep liquid (i.e an assumption based of how much things visually footclip) would do that.
Also, not every map out there has any difference in certain skill levels.
The ammount of ammo from ammo pickups only changes on skill1 and 5 (in both cases, they are doubled).
The HacX skill level menu goes off the side of the screen
The Chex and Ultimate Doom main menu's scroll up/down as you move through the options
The choose skill level heading on the skill level menu in HeXen is way over to the left
I'll also throw in that the gem on the fighters hud in HeXen isn't alinged.
Please report bugs in the Bug Tracker from now on. Candidate testing for 1.9.7 is over. We will open a new official testing thread for 1.9.8 at a later time.
Do you think that's wise, considering there are still a lot of bugs introduced in ringzero? I'm worried our bug reports will just get lost in the bug tracker (among the hundreds of other bug reports in there). I still don't consider this build to be stable quite yet. It still loads slow, and detail textures in WAD files still don't work (Daniel Norton's detail textures). I'm sure there are more bugs, too... I think it's a little too hasty to call it stable and close this thread.
Was the Cacodemon bug ever solved either?
Ah, it looks like they disabled the ability of monsters to pass under/over each other on the z-axis. I would have done the same. However, my other two bug reports still exist...
But the bi-weekly builds are set to continue, so as soon as they are fixed, we will probably be able to test drive them.
I still believe that build 364 is superior to this release. The only thing this release brings to the table as far as I can see is the Cacodemon bug fix. However, that does not make up for the long startup time of the game, the broken detail textures, and other bugs that ringzero introduced.